Schools Need Not Recognize Groups That Discriminate – NYTimes.com.

The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that schools don’t need to officially recognize, or give official status to, student groups that discriminate.

Hopefully this closes a case where obviousness should have prevailed from the beginning.  The case was brought about by the Christian Legal Society (CLS,) a student group with a chapter at Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco after the college revoked official status of the CLS.

The school’s policy is that official student groups must be inclusive and not exclude potential members based on the fairly standard list of things you can’t discriminate against.

The student group “does not allow students to become voting members or to assume leadership positions unless they affirm what the group calls orthodox Christian beliefs and disavow “unrepentant participation or advocacy of a sexually immoral lifestyle.”‘  This would include “sexual conduct outside of marriage between a man and a woman.”

While I must admit that last statement is a “cute” way of hiding  homophobia beneath a layer of pious prudishness, it is still unacceptable.

As a consequence, the student group cannot use the college’s name or logo or use meeting rooms or communication vehicles the college provides for recognized groups.   Not having official recognition also means the group is not eligible for other benefits — privileges — the college offers including special email access and limited financing. This is pretty standard stuff essentially ensuring the CLS cannot be seen as speaking on behalf of the college or its students.

In typical fundie fashion, Gregory Baylor, a lawyer for the CLS, said the ruling would require the organization “to allow atheists to lead its Bible studies.”   Um, no.  The college isn’t telling the 30 member group to change their beliefs, it is merely saying they can’t promote such discrimination and bigotry using funding from the college.  The CLS can continue to meet off-campus and can raise their own funding.  What they can’t do is pretend to be affiliated with the college.

If they so badly require funding from the college, they will have to follow the criteria for recognition meaning they will have to stop discriminating.  That’s a far cry from a college-appointed atheist Bible study leader.

Very simple.

Given that this is a law school, real justice would be expelling the students who brought about this frivolous suit in the first place.  Not for their beliefs, of course, but for grossly misinterpreting the law.

From Yahoo! Answers:

How do you think the creation account in Genesis would affect a Christian’s worldview?

My slightly off topic wall of text:

Which creation account?  :P

Okay, no seriously.  This is a really good question and one I’ve thought about for years.

First of all we have to try to make some sense of the stories.  The easiest to understand in a historical context is, surprisingly, the fall of Adam and Eve.

So the idea of god was created by this one tribe to justify an agricultural regime that dominated neighbouring tribes and lead to the establishment and spread of civilization while this culture assimilated or destroyed all competition.

Consider:

And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.” -Genesis 1:28

Genesis 1 basically describes the actions of this fantastic all-powerful god who created everything.  This establishes God’s authority.  The story then goes on to suggest that this all-powerful being anoints us as masters of the earth.  Not only are we allowed to take it over and subjugate it to our whim, it is our duty!

This is not an attitude shared by all of humanity.  This arrogance is not human nature.  This wouldn’t make any sense to the Kalahari Bushmen, the Yanomami or any number of other tribal peoples.  This IS an attitude shared by all the Abrahamic religions.  It is also an attitude shared by all the other cultural descendants of the Agricultural Revolution in the Fertile Crescent.   This attitude isn’t really even shared by descendants of other agricultural regimes.  There is a distinction between Eastern and Western philosophies largely because they are descended from different agricultural regimes.  They certainly influenced each other and they have more in common with each other than either does with the Pirahã, for example.

It is no coincidence that the descendants of the Agricultural Revolution are the people who took over the world and the Pirahã didn’t.  Read “Guns, Germs and Steel” by Jared Diamond.  You won’t regret it.  One thing the Pirahã didn’t have was a sense of entitlement or destiny.

Aspects of the justification for agriculture, an example being the creation accounts, permeate western civilization.

We have a twisted sense of entitlement and an inherent specialness that has enabled us to cause a period of mass extinction not seen since the fall of the dinosaurs.  In my experience, many people, especially Christians, get visibly offended if you say that humans are animals.

Many of us, religious or not, delude ourselves into thinking that civilization IS humanity.  (Islam’s concept of the pride of Adam is a clear example of this) Throughout history, civilization has expanded and conquered through assimilation or destruction.  Soulless savages were considered sub-human and deserving of domination and death and that the land they lived on was free to be taken.  There are countless examples of this in history and its still happening today.  There’s an oil company in Peru that is starting to develop a well in a remote area of the Amazon to great controversy.  Nearby lives one of the last *uncontacted* tribes in the world. This oil company is denying they even exist.

We have an economic system based on the principle of continuous growth.  This is not sustainable by definition.  We’re rapidly converting the world’s biomass into human biomass — us and what we like to eat, the rest of the ecosystem be damned.  There will come a point when there can be no more.  What then?  Why are we seemingly in such a hurry to find out?

There have been Christian politicians in the US that have suggested the environment is not important because good Christians will be raptured long before it ever becomes an issue.  Before?  Another went so far to suggest that it was sacrilege to worry about the environment because that was admitting that God wasn’t taking care of us.  I’m not saying all Christians are this ignorant.  Plenty of Christians recycle and that’s great.  But bandaids don’t heal decapitations and I don’t see them trying to come up with a truly sustainable economic model.  I don’t see them challenging the primacy of civilization or trying to come up with something new.  Instead, I see them challenging scientific concepts like evolution because evolution undermines the authority of the magic being that gives them these delusions of grandeur.

Of course its not just Christians or religious people who share these delusions.  The point is the justification for this aggressive agricultural regime involves many myths and god and creation are just a few examples.  Western philosophy and the Abrahamic religious traditions all share a common cultural ancestry — these early agriculturalists with their excuses.

More evidence of this is that the Abrahamic religions and Western philosophy share a certain degree of eschatology.  Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden and it was assumed disaster would come because of this new attitude.  “Dreams of Millennium” by Mark Kingwell was a really interesting take on Millennial anxiety and examined how we’ve always been obsessed that the end times were coming soon.  Of course, again this is not human nature, this wouldn’t make any sense to the Pirahã.

Sorry for the wall of text but this is obviously something I’ve thought a great deal about and believe in very important.  ;)   Congratulations if you made it this far.

Zeus smote some justice on a six-story statue of Jesus when he threw a lightning bolt down from Mount Olympus.  The statue — made of fiberglass and plastic foam over a steel frame — burned to the ground after being hit by lightning late on Monday.

True story.  Zeus did it.

Those who want to see a sign will see a sign.

It is a sign from Allah to not make caricatures of prophets.

It is a sign from Jesus they should have made him fireproof.

It is a sign from Zeus that it was not a touchdown.

It is a sign from nature that nothing is sacred.

Via Yahoo! News

In a shift from the Vatican’s initial claim that the church was the victim of a campaign by the media and abortion rights and pro-gay marriage groups, Benedict said: “The greatest persecution of the church doesn’t come from enemies on the outside but is born from the sins within the church.”

I’m not sure Benny knows the difference between persecution and prosecution.

I’m not sure how to take this admission.  I suppose it is a good thing but it just seems to me to be a “well duh” moment.

I suppose now would be as good a time as any to chime in on the child sex abuse scandals.

There is a huge difference between an individual crime and an institutional crime.  Anyone sexually abusing a child is an individual crime.  Its the individual that is at fault whether that person is a priest or a teacher, police officer or garbage man.  The profession isn’t guilty of sexually abusing children and neither is the organization.  We can’t blame the church or the priesthood for these terrible crimes because they were performed by individuals who just happened to be priests.  Priests are human and shouldn’t be given any special treatment (for good or bad) for their chosen profession.

Statistically, there is no significantly greater rate of sex abuse from priests than any other “profession of trust.”   There is nothing inherent about the priesthood that would lead priests to molest children.  Therefore it is not an institutional crime, but an individual one.    I suppose it plausible that if there is any measurably higher rate of abuse from priests that it might be that these people as young adults felt shame in being attracted to younger children and as penance entered the priesthood.   I’m not saying that is the case, I’m merely stating there is no definitive correlation between abuse and the institution of the priesthood.  In other words, the church did not molest these kids, individuals did.  Punish the individuals for the individuals’ crimes.

That is certainly not to say the Church is innocent in this.  It appears as though the institution also behaved poorly, if not illegally, in all of this.  It appears as though there were people in positions of power within the church who actively covered up these abuses.  The cover up is an institutional crime and it is the cover up that The Church should be held responsible for.

I’m not just nit-picking here.  When someone blames The Church for molesting children, it is very easy for The Church and its excusors to claim persecution and prejudice.  You know what, they’d be right.

Lets just be reasonable and put the blame where it belongs.  That’s the only way we’ll ever get any sort of justice.

Someone has taken down and removed a cross that had been erected on federally protected land in the Mojave desert.  Via Yahoo! News

This is a really good example of the sort of false controversies that come up in issues of church/state separation.

From what I can gather, someone put up a giant cross a few years back and bolted it to a rock in the desert.  Apparently the intention was to honour American soldiers who have died in conflict.

The first problem is that this land is a federally protected preserve.  I suppose this classification holds some meaning.  For example, don’t leave your garbage lying around or build structures would seem to be logical assumptions.  But, in the late 1990′s,  they built this cross anyway and I haven’t heard of anyone suggesting they had permission to do so.  So it seems building this cross was actually illegal and was a form of vandalism.

What would seem to be a simple issue got really murky when it became political.  This cross was supposedly  a memorial to US soldiers.   As American politics wont to go, wanting this cross taken down seemed paramount to high treason — an insult to the troops!  How trying to maintain rule of law is an insult to troops, I have no idea.

The idea that this cross  is ‘for the troops’ is rather absurd.  If it really was for the troops, how about a rifle or a poppy.  But a cross?  Wouldn’t that make it for Christian troops?  No, the symbol chosen was a Christian symbol for a reason.  This cross was there for one reason only, for promoting Christianity.

The real litmus test here is what people would do if a bunch of Wiccans put up a giant pentagram to pay homage  to the troops.  You can be sure this would be removed almost immediately and I doubt you’d here any debate about it.

Sportsnet’s James Brydon’s feature on “praising God” in mixed martial arts rubbed me the wrong way.   Ben Henderson and Anthony Pettis both “touched gloves” with “the Lord” after their victories at the WEC show back in April.  Okay, it happened.   Yes these fighters have interesting stories.  Actually I thought Brydon handled most of the article with a certain even-handedness often missing from articles like this.

Then came two sentences that should not come one after the other.

(Quoting Henderson) “I am very grateful that God has blessed me with the life I do have.”

“Clearly, Henderson is a humble person.”

What?

There is nothing humble about believing — or worse, “knowing” — that there is an omnipotent and omniscient being that created the universe (for us!) who loves you and has a special plan for you such that it interferes in the natural world to give you assistance in our comparatively mundane and trivial lives.

On the contrary, it is a form of extreme arrogance when looking at the vast universe with all its mysteries to believe you have some special knowledge of its origins or inner workings.  To think a being with so much power would care enough about you to help you win an MMA fight says far more about your inflated sense of worth than it says about anything outside of ego.  Frankly, its absurd to think you’re that special.

I’m not surprised to see this kind of thing so often in MMA.  Probably more than most other sports, MMA requires you to be “in the zone” where you can push your body and mind to their limits.  Perhaps believing the gods they believe in are with them helps in this regard putting them in a mental state more conducive to winning.  Consider Diego Sanchez when he is psyched up.  There’s no doubt he’s a better fighter in that state so whatever helps him get to that state will be advantageous.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be disgusted by the display of arrogance or the proselytizing or whatever else these comments might be.  We should understand them and maybe take them with a grain of salt.  This isn’t nearly as bad as survivors of medical emergencies thanking the gods for curing them when they should be thanking the doctors and scientists who made those cures possible… though fighters have coaches and training partners too.

(NB: Saving the comments from an old blog for posterity)

For Brett/Mike from FA

(from friendlyatheist.com comment)

Brett (or is it Mike?) thinks he’s being censored unfairly.  I’ve invited him to post his comments here since they’ve been deleted from FA.

Maybe I’m just taking the  flamebait here but we’ll soon see.

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In dubious honour of Darwin’s birthday, Parade Magazine wrote a dreadful article with an equally ridiculous poll.

Obviously, that poll is just screaming to be crashed so go vote. Feel free to clear (or eat) your cookies and vote again.

The article irked me because it seemed to suggest that only “scientists and secularists” accept evolution while everyone else rejects it.

The poll itself is problematic because it seems to assume evolutionary theory begins and ends with Darwin, that evolution is something that happened in the past rather than something that is ongoing, and finally that the only nonscientific alternatives are related to God. If the superstitions of a bunch of bronze-age goat herders can be a valid response to a question of modern science, why not other superstitions too? At least Raelianism is modern.

Can we please do something about this nonsense? Poll crashing isn’t enough. I wrote them a letter. Can we do something to keep watch on publications like this and flood them with letters when they write so irresponsibly?

f i r s t s

First best friend: Nicky from next door.  I once threw a worm in his mouth.  I think he’s in jail now.
First kiss on the lips: Probably something from when I was a kid.. otherwise, see the next one.
First real kiss: On a bridge over a waterfall under a total lunar eclipse.  Can’t get anymore romantic than that.  Too bad she was a slut.
First funeral: I think it was my sister’s boyfriend’s father or something like that.  I held her hand.
First pets: A fun cat named Mocha after I rescued her from my grandmother.  I taught her how to climb.  She’s in jail now.
First true love:  Ahh Lisa..
First big trip:  Fredericton for the national scholastic chess championships.  I came in second.

l a s t s

Last car ride:  Bubba driving me home.
Last good cry:  Couple months ago.
Last movie seen:  Can’t Hardly Wait.. Bubba and I compared all the characters to people from back in high school.  That was funny.
Last beverage drank:  Coke
Last food consumed:  Stew
Last crush:  Jessica Alba, Sarah Cauchon.. as for IRL.. There’s none right now that I can think of.. I mean there’s one..maybe… but it’s not a crush.. or is it?    So strange.
Last phone call:  From Jay.
Last time showered: 1963.
Last song listened to: St Etienne, The Place At Dawn
Last item bought:  Coke

f a s h i o n | s t u f f

Where is your favorite place to shop?:  Urban Outfitters
Any tattoos or piercings?:  Barcode tattoo on the back of my neck.  (Since I mentioned Jessica Alba earlier, I should probably say that I got this long before Dark Angel went on the air and it has nothing to do with her.. or Microserfs for that matter.)

s p e c i f i c s

Do you do drugs?: No. I like my brain the way it is thank you very much.
What kind of shampoo do you use?:  I’ve got the urge to Herbal.
What are you most scared of?:  Guilt… taking more than I give.
What are you listening to right now?  “Fun For Me” by Moloko.. my general MP3 playlist.
Where do you want to get married?:  Assuming I do want to get married.. I’m more interested in making a life-long commitment than getting a piece of paper with my name on it.
How many buddies are online right now?: Uh.. I don’t think any are online.
What would you change about yourself?:  *Sometimes* I wish I’d taken the blue pill.

f a v o r i t e s

Color:  Midnight blue.
Food:  Goodness me!  Well pizza has to be on there.. sushi, lebanese meat pies… bul goh gee… any breakfast food… I really love food in general.
Subjects in school:  HS: Drama.. Uni: Symbolic Logic.. Col: Business English
Animals: Meow.
Perfume:  None.
Cologne:  Vodka toner/aftershave.. not really a cologne but the closest I get.
Alcohol: Manhattans… Smithwicks.
Word:  prototypical

h a v e | y o u | e v e r

Taken a bath with someone?  Guilty.
Smoked? Guilty.
Made yourself throw up?:  Not on purpose.
Skinny dipped?:  No.
Been in love?:  Twice.  It’s an important word for me.
Made yourself cry to get out of trouble?: Maybe when I was little, sure.
Pictured a crush naked?:  Not a “crush”..
Cried when someone died?:  My cat.
Lied?: Not in years…
Fallen for your best friend? Yes.
Been rejected?:  Hahahahahahaha… oh hell yeah.
Rejected someone?: Yes…
Used someone?:  Not in that way… but haven’t we all in some way?
Done something you regret?:  Not really no… I’m more likely to regret not doing things.

c u r r e n t

Clothes:  jeans… my “House of Weenies: You love `em, we got `em” shirt
Music: Is it just me or is this the third “what’s playing” question in this quiz?  Anyway.. now it’s a punk cover of “Tomorrow”.. can’t remember the band.. probably Me First and the Gimme Gimmes.
Make-up:  No that scruff is real.
Smell:  What?  Like what am I smelling now?  What do I smell like now?  Huh?
Desktop picture: A guillotine.

l a s t | p e r s o n

Hugged: my six-year-old nephew.

a r e | y o u

Open minded:  Very.
Interesting:  Your mom sure thinks so.
Moody:  No… I’m like this all the time.
Hardworking:  Depends if it’s something I’m passionate about.
Attractive: At times.
Responsible:  95f the time.
Angry:  At the moment, yeah.  People can be so strange.  I’m not angry in general although a lot of things can set me off… neocons.. abusive people.. stupid people… “the man”
Sad: At the moment, yeah.  Not in general though.
Disappointed: At the moment, incredibly.
Talkative: If I have something to say.

w h i c h | i s | b e t t er

Coke or pepsi:  If I’m in a restaurant and I ask for a coke and they say “we have pepsi, is that ok?”…. I say iced tea.
Thick or thin:  Proportional.
Tall or short:  Proportional.

r a n d o m

In the morning i am:  groggy as hell.
All i need is: love and respect.
What do you notice on a person first: eyes, smile, and how they carry themselves.
Who makes you laugh the most:  Probably Freezingwarm.

n u m b e r

Of times i have had my heart broken:  Let me count the scars…
Of hearts i have broken:  Two as far as I know.
Of guys i’ve kissed:  I really want this question defined before I answer.  Possible answers include 5 or so, 1, or none.
Of girls i’ve kissed:  14 – 16 or something like that.
Of continents i’ve lived on: Only one.
Of tight friends: Only a few.. it’s quality over quantity.

r e p e t i t i v e l y

What are you listening to right now:  Neko Case, Deep Red Bells

Here is a copy the letter I sent to Parade yesterday.

I am flabbergasted and deeply insulted by the article online about the legacy of Charles Darwin and its associated poll.

To begin with, the entire second paragraph is misleading and incorrect.  It reads:

“Just as scientists and secularists around the globe will celebrate “Darwin Day,” creationists and those of other beliefs will renew their argument against his work.”

This falsely identifies the sides of this “debate” being scientists and secularists against everyone else.  Apart from creationists, I can’t even think of who else has a problem with evolution.  Perhaps you are referring to Raelians who believe aliens genetically engineered every species on the planet?

The real debate is between those who accept that the scientific method is the best way to learn about the universe and those who would rather trust the superstitions of bronze-aged goat herders.

Evolution happens and that it happens isn’t in any doubt.  The only debate is how it happens.  For example, is the driving force of selection at the group, individual, or genetic level?

The poll question itself is extremely problematic.  As mentioned earlier, to suggest that evolution doesn’t happen is completely foolish.  Yet if unscientific responses are allowed, why not have an option for aliens creating us or the flying spaghetti monster?

The second problem with the poll question is that no one agrees with “Darwin’s” theory of evolution.  Evolutionary theory has changed a great deal since Darwin’s time.  Darwin’s pangene hypothesis, for example, has been long discarded, in part due to Gregor Mendel’s work on inheritance.  Mendel — a priest, by the way — is the one commonly referred to as the “father of modern genetics.”  Taking a poll on the acceptance of “Darwin’s theory” trivializes an entire field of science, one that has developed one of the most elegant and demonstrable theories in the history of science itself.  Would you similarly slight Einstein by polling readers on their acceptance of Newton’s theory of gravity?

The third big problem with the poll is one of tense.  “Humans evolved…?”  “Evolution required…?”  Evolution is an ongoing process, not something that happened to us once 150,000 years ago.  There is no end result of evolution.  There is no final goal or ideal.

All of these are serious misrepresentations of evolutionary theory and of Darwin’s significant contribution to science.  If you’re going to write an article about science, make an attempt to understand the science.  Your failure to report accurately on the issue only plays into the superstitions of Raelians, creationists and other tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.

In the future, please report on the science of today instead of the mythologies of a bunch of bronze age goat herders.

This question was rather long and convoluted.. you can click the link if you really want to know the question.  Basically the guy wanted to know what spirituality meant if there wasn’t a god and was trying to figure out what a couple different things meant that would be connected to the question if there was a god, but aren’t at all if there isn’t.

Basically I am copying this (and my last post) to my blog here to save them for myself since I doubt I’ll spend a lot of time on Yahoo! Answers after today.

Here goes:

It sounds like you are trying to mush quite a few different issues together to find some sort of connection that isn’t there.

For a theist, there might be a tight knit little package that merges a creator, spiritual enlightenment, a predetermined end result of creation, and moral rules to live by. It sounds as if you are asking about the nature of a puppet without a puppeteer.

We are, however, not puppets and there are no strings.

Even atheists believe in god, just not in the way theists do. Someone once had some rhetorical trick planned for me. They put a bible in front of me and asked me if I believed in the bible. I said of course I did and held it up to them as evidence of its existance much to the dismay of my would be opponent. I’m not sure what he expected me to say but I left him speechless. Atheists believe the idea of god exists, just not that god does. God, religious institutions, the bible, the idea of spirituality, the soul, etc, are all human constructs. We created them to make sense of the world as we (mis)understood it. As Voltaire said, “If there wasn’t a god, one would have to be invented.” This is precisely what happened.

Of course there are creative and destructive forces in nature. We should be thankful for that.. evolution wouldn’t have happened like it did if there weren’t creative (obviously) and (less obviously) destructive forces. That isn’t evidence for any deterministic view of nature and if anyone thinks it is, they are falling into the same intellectual trap as creationists have. Yes, intelligent life evolving is quite improbable mathematically. That isn’t evidence of something even more improbable (ie god) existing and creating us.. it is just evidence that this planet was one with the right physical and atmospheric attributes capable of supporting life and that life was capable of evolving intelligence. That we happen to be here thinking about it isn’t evidence of a creator or anything like that at all. Where else would life evolve capable of inventing these theories (ie god) other than a planet suited for the evolution of intelligent life?

In terms of a spiritual path or enlightenment, why would you need god for that? The universe, this planet, and life itself are truly wonderous things. The bible teaches humility, doesn’t it? What could make a person, or humanity in general, more humble than the knowledge that this world was not created for them?

Your last question again appears to be trying to fit an undeterministic world into a deterministic worldview. If you really want to appreciate the wonders of the universe, you’ve got to get out of that habit. The universe is more simple and at the same time more mysterious than you think. But yes, stars, the birth and death of stars, all allow heavy elements to exist which allows chemistry to exist. Without heavy elements there would be no planets and without chemistry there would be no life.